Persevering No Matter What with Margaret J. Wheatley (repeat)

Hosted by: Michael Toms

How is it that some people devote their lives to a cause or a person or place, while some others give up and quit? How is it that even in the midst of failures, betrayals, reversals, some people still remain focused and dedicated to their cause? What keeps us persevering? What drags us under when we experience set-backs, failures, criticism? Margaret Wheatley says, “We really don’t know what is going to happen; we don’t know what the future is. We can work as much as we can and with as much diligence and vigilance as we can to create a positive future. But in the end, what is really important is that we just feel that this work is our work to do. . . I find those to be liberating conditions. And making it possible to do much more work with much more vigor and also much more enjoyment.”Here, we explore how persevere through life’s challenging circumstances. (hosted by Michael Toms)

Margaret Wheatley, Ph.D. is an internationally acclaimed writer, speaker, and teacher. She is co-founder and President emerita of The Berkana Institute, a charitable foundation that works with people around the world who strengthen their communities using the wisdom and wealth already present in their people, traditions, and environment. Her books include Leadership and the New Science (Berrett-Kohler 1998) and Perseverance (Berrett-Kohler 2010). To learn more about the work of Margaret Wheatley go to

Topics explored in this dialogue include:

  • What is the Hopi Prophecy for this time
  • How do we cultivate bravery
  • Why we should not be attached to outcome but should work for the sake of the work
  • What are the keys to persevering
  • What are some of the powerfully destructive dynamics present in the world today
  • What does being fearless really mean
  • How recognizing that you’re lost then awakens you to your good, human capacities
  • Why simple cause and effect denies the complexity of the way the world is today
  • How a sense of urgency is quite destructive of human relationships


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